When will Venus be here?

[danielvictor]

Were you deducting one Terrraforming point per generation ?

[xspuipuke]

Of course we are.

[Verrjerah]

Agreed on Turmoil makes games faster. When everyone is familiar with an expansion (no need to additionally explain what each politics does etc) it gives more resources and more interesting moves for us. It gives much more above that single -1 TR every generation and random disasters which influence you could minimize.

[stillframe]

Eh, I am definitely not a fan of events in general, and the ones in Turmoil are no exception. Sure you can mitigate, but that only changes direct cost to opportunity cost. After a few generations, players are at least partially locked in to their strategy, and then events just randomly help some players and hurt others.

But it is still better than Venus, thanks to the other good things included (politics and policies). Venus has no redeeming features at all.

[Alpha2Omega]

I like Turmoil 2. It's like a million times better than eating venus floaters for 3+ hours, and I also don't like venus milestones and awards. Sometimes you just get it for free, and sometimes you can't even if you try. I don't like that like at all, I like to play with my friends over the table, and yeah I have some nightmares playing with venus, it's not fun when you draw trashy venus cards for couple gens and just watch your friends not only get the venus milestones and awards that should be yours since you kinda are the one with all the venus cards, while you just stuck and doing nothing but trade on colonies. We ended up have to toss all the venus cards out and play with prelude, colony and turmoil. I like to rush all the greenery in one go on green, or draw card with science when I am rich. With Turmoil, I rarely get stuck, because I can just get really good energy on events or Calvin things like that.

Yeah, with Turmoil we finish way faster, especially with colony, it was very apparent when playing over the table, I think it's because we ended up stalling waaay less since you have to trade, delegate and do other things. You have to get your actions out so fast rather than do one thing at a time. It's cool, maybe they designed the expansion with that in mind, so you have to do things fast and not slow play.

[Bawlbot5000]

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