Friendlies are counting. It's hard to say exactly how long you take to get demoted but given Heat has 213 gurus we can assume it's at least a few months.FrankJones wrote: ↑10 April 2026, 17:28 It's still confusing. It's not clear how many potential voters there are at any given time. The voting process itself is weird. It's unclear how and when people become gurus.
I never should have been an Earth Guru in the first place unless friendly games were counted. And even if I do not lose my guru status immediately, I should have lost it by now. I barely play. And I've never played high volume in any 30-day or 3-month period.
With votes, people will get a vote who are no longer gurus because the voting period is normally open for 3 months. But you can see how low the interaction is with votes, my Heat suggestion has 55 votes, there's probably been around 300 gurus over the last 3 months. On top of this is 55 is actually high, because the new expansion was released for Heat since the last Arena season, so it was posted about on the guru wall, on Discord, the keep Arena the same only has 29 votes, which is more in line with the number you'd normally see if a new expansion hadn't just released. So you can see a very low % of gurus are actually interacting with the Arena vote, and that's because a number of them likely don't care/even know what gurus/Arena even is.
I actually agree with the principles written here that gurus shouldn't be based off Arena itself, because then Arena becomes self-fulfilling that players will keep voting for the same format, but having mostly players who don't care about Arena is not ideal either, when the main purpose of being a guru is to be able to vote on the Arena format. The solo games counting for example is silly, because say the site ended up with even more solo players, you could get 80-90% of gurus end up being solo, who have no interest in Arena, and have Arena formats being decided by a handful of people, because most players get no say. And in terms of sheer # of games played, non-solo players are always going to struggle to compete with solo players when playing solo can play in 20% of the time the way most players are playing the game.
I actually think the 30 day period used for guru status is too short. It should probably use a longer period to assess like 90 days. The issue with 30 days, and again I can see this at Heat, is you get too many players who will play say 80 games and then never again, and again are they really gurus over the players who play 50 games every month with 2000 games played? You want your gurus to be the players actually invested in the game surely?
