7WD Strategy vs Luck

[Wonderful Plays]

@ Wonderful Plays

Thank you for your thoughts and pardon me for the late reply. I was writing a reply a long time ago but then got busy with something else and then my whole post was lost and I was away for vacation Man, was I tilted

1. Wow. So if let's say 3 players (1800, 1700 and 1600) are playing against each other and let's say the 1800 gets the 1st place, 1700 gets 2nd place and 1600 gets 3rd place. Then isn't it that 1700 will score 0 Arena Points and 1800 wins arena points just like he/she won against both 1700 and 1600 imaginary 2 player games? Let's say it gives the 1800 player 15 Arena Points vs the 1700 and 10 Arena Points vs the 1600 player. Isn't 1800 then scoring 25 Arena points and the 1600 is losing 25 Arena Points? I would call that fair. I hope it works like that.

It doesn't. Instead of getting 25 points in this example you get around 8-12 I believe.

2. I might have worded this differently. But if there are 4 players in a pool and they each want to play 1 game: 7 Wonders -> 1 game total. 7 Wonders duel -> 2 games.

3. But the 2nd place didn't "loose" he was ranked lower, but he didn't play two seperate games with 1 win 1 loss, he gained 2 place in one game. I think the ELO score is not something that works best for multiplayer games. The main problem right now is that 4 player 7 wonders you can be at 2nd place and still loose ELO or gain 0. 2nd in 4player game is a good place, it should be a small win.

4. Regarding Victory Conditions: I found the best success in all-inning at some point. For me games are the most fun when you are constantly (at least thinking about) switch your strategy. In 7 Wonders I do that 2/3 of the game and 3rd age is very tactical. In 7WD after Age1 strategies are very often set in stone (against great players) and you are just executing.

5. Big thanks to providing your POV very fun to read. I'd just comment on 3 cards missing. It rubs me the wrong way that I can go for scientific victory (and it may be my best strategy % wise) and from the very start it wasn't possible to achieve it. I shouldn't be frustrated at that, but for some reason I am The instant loss also provokes worse feelings in me that point loss. In 7W I can be like: I lost by one coin, I played well it was close. In 7WD oh he flipped that here, we don't even see age3. It is funcionally the same, but my emotions are different.

I think 7WD is one of the most brilliant games made in the last decades, it just isn't something that I constantly reach out for after playing hundred times, I have to be in a mood for it. While 7W I can play anyday, just because it's so pleasant to just pick the cards, maybe it's because there is less stress/tension actually?

[Andras93]

Yeah this game is pure luck. Okay 3% brain 97% luck. Im played many 7 Wonders Duel and 7 Wonders and my win rate is "good" so i know what im talking about.

[silentProtest]

Yeah this game is pure luck. Okay 3% brain 97% luck. Im played many 7 Wonders Duel and 7 Wonders and my win rate is "good" so i know what im talking about.

first, nice necroing. 2nd no its not just luck, not even close.
Most deciding luck happens in vanilla when choosing/getting wonder and turn order. Then luck of getting resources and greens in age 1+2 that can turn the game upside down... but getting to specific cards and manipulating the odds to your favor is the whole idea.

And if you want way less luck, play with both expansions. Extremely rarely will you be in situations that there is 0% chance of winning, if you know what youre doing

(Id recommend getting decent at vanila, getting used to "agora only" for 10-30 games and use a cheat sheet for gods and plots that are in the game after, until you know all your options by heart )