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LightKnight
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new settings on keeping elo active?

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There's sth frustrating sometimes in BGA elo and prestige, it's how players keep a nice ranking while actually never really playing. You can't defeat them, you can't make them prove their Worth (they'll never accept suggestions), and yet they're here. And when you check some of those players' statistics on the game, you'll find out their playing regularity: it is, oh how about that, every other month, like you'll see "/11", "/01", "/03"... And only with beginners, which gets it safer, especially in some games like hex where beginner who wouldn't know pie rule is very easily dealt with, so that it's like free elo. And if you add to this that there was a general decrease in elo when the new setting arrived (when 100 replaced 1500 as the zero level, and prevented we would go below), which only "actual" players suffered, you'll conclude that elo can be really unfair sometimes (of course I insist on that adverb, elo is still very reliable and efficient, I think).
- I won't give names, but within the top players in BGA, some play very much (even too much perhaps, like they have a job and a family huh), and earn prestige from tournaments, which makes it unquestionnable, some...you find out they're as I suggested in like all of their games. -

So I wonder if it would be possible to reset a bit the BGA programming on that matter. Maybe the better (comparatively in elo) our opponent in games is, the more additionnal time of ranking active we would get.
I think it would be just, fair and meaningful, though maybe it wouldn't change things so much. But that's open to discussion. As for the achievability, I confess I have no idea whether and how easy it would be to settle such a thing, but again, at least the question is asked.
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Re: new settings on keeping elo active?

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There is currently a new "competition oriented" mode, which is called "Arena mode", under development.

This mode will introduce a seasonal ladder system, and will be the most efficient way to win prestige on BGA.

ELO will remains as it is now, and if you don't care about competitive play you will be able to ignore this.

Read this for more details:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=13799
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LightKnight
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Re: new settings on keeping elo active?

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Yes, thanks, that's a good answer to that issue! Actually I did see the topic but not before I wrote this. - I still kept the topic open because I felt it to be still Worth saying, I mean it's good to have such impressions from users, to know if they feel sth wrong etc., plus there may be other answers to bring on.
Thank you for your work.
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Re: new settings on keeping elo active?

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LightKnight wrote: 10 July 2019, 01:16
- I won't give names, but within the top players in BGA, some play very much (even too much perhaps, like they have a job and a family huh), and earn prestige from tournaments, which makes it unquestionnable, some...you find out they're as I suggested in like all of their games. -
Actually prestige from tournaments is really broken in some cases too. Look at Dungeon Twister for the best examples...like a tournament with 3 players worth 10k points to the winner...just absurd. Really hoped they take a look at how to fix tournament prestige distribution. Honestly I'd be happy to help as I do algorithm development and could get something more appropriate :-)

3 player dungeon twister tournament worth over 10k prestige! https://boardgamearena.com/tournament?id=32228

A few easy things to do...
Round multiplier...adjust multiplier for number of rounds based on number of rounds that will actually occur in the tournament.
Game multipliers...not sure how this works exactly without seeing the code, but a few games like dungeon twister seem way too high.
You could also limit prestige to tournaments with at least 4 people, for example, but adjusting the round multiplier should make small tournaments worth significantly less.
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Re: new settings on keeping elo active?

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yeah, and look at these 2 mini-tournaments made with very short opening times and only 4 players max:
https://boardgamearena.com/tournament?id=32947
https://boardgamearena.com/tournament?id=32946
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Re: new settings on keeping elo active?

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RicardoRix wrote: 09 August 2019, 18:30 yeah, and look at these 2 mini-tournaments made with very short opening times and only 4 players max:
https://boardgamearena.com/tournament?id=32947
https://boardgamearena.com/tournament?id=32946
exactly my point!
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