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postmans
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Re: Group privacy problem

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Good point, though I think the nuance polettix is bringing is very welcome.

Thus first and foremost, I really appreciate all the effort the admins/developers put into this website. We all enjoy it a lot, and with a lot of passion (which can be felt nicely in this topic).

I agree that this functionality would be really welcome.
I think there is 3 types of groups you can want:
- Completely public: simply concentrating people with same interest.
- Closed but public discussion: for example skill-based/friend-based groups for game joining, but interesting general discussions where you are happy for friends of friends to chime in from time to time
- Closed and private discussion: Used for tactics/team building in a tournament. Or discussing bit more private stuff with people you are closer to (though use internet care at all times! And for moderation admins/mods should be able to read.)

We've used different methods for moderating our Hanabi group, we have a private group here, but because of noticing this non-private after reply issue also tested with other methods. The problem is that other methods we often just not read, because this is the place where we often come, and checking the other place for a message every 3-6 weeks, you just stop checking. I think similar applies to tournament team groups.
In the last weeks 3-4 of my friends joined a group tournament (I think one of the nice big ones by Brisbane Roar), and started organizing their tactics. But weren't aware I, and with that their opposing teams, could read their tactics.

What I disagree with are the comments which talk about not being able to private talk about others/insulting. If you are saying something about somebody in private, you should say it in a way that you wouldn't mind that person reading it. Insulting others in private should be similar in sense of moderation as that what you say in public. What makes this site so special versus other gaming websites is the nice way in which people react to each other. On other websites I've had so many negative experiences with people insulting me simply because they loose a game. A bit more nuanced applies to longer disagreements between parties, where it's not just simple insulting but more complicated. Private groups shouldn't be a breading ground for spreading such issues.

To conclude: I think a fix on private group posts becoming public by any reaction or non-admin post would be one of the more welcome fixes/improvements (it feels like a bug not intended behaviour) to BGA for the more hardcore (social) players here. If this is not so easy, an intermediate solution of marking private as "semi-private", would be very welcome as this stops giving people a false sense of private communication.
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ojomojojojo
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Re: Group privacy problem

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Omg. I totally agree to this. I'm glad someone brought attention to this issue. I would like my groups to be more private, not the whole BGA reading my comments. It makes me feel naked and exposed. Otherwise, what the point of the word "private". I hope admin can fix that issue to make the group experience more fun here
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iliz sera
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Re: Group privacy problem

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I agree with all previous comments about this problem. When we talk about private group, we understand it as a group where all informations (members, topics and chat) will not be revealed outside. However I also noticed the problem that whenever my friend commented in a topic in their private group, I could see all, and even I could reply as well!

For me, it's not the meaning of "private". Seems more like a closed group when you cannot join but you can see some topics & comments.

As people have raised their opinions, I would also hope that BGA will change the settings so that the private group will completely be private.
Carson Slade
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Re: Group privacy problem

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postmans wrote: 28 April 2020, 11:55 Thus first and foremost, I really appreciate all the effort the admins/developers put into this website.
Good starting statement!!
postmans wrote: 28 April 2020, 11:55 If you are saying something about somebody in private, you should say it in a way that you wouldn't mind that person reading it. Insulting others in private should be similar in sense of moderation as that what you say in public.
Here's the problem. Admin posts: 'shall we invite players A, B, and C to the group?' Members answer 'Let's invite players A and B, but not C'. Player C reads it. Now you have someone offended when no insult was intended.
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Knart
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Re: Group privacy problem

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I was so completely unaware of this bug. Yes it should be adressed somehow.
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polettix
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Re: Group privacy problem

Post by polettix »

postmans wrote: 28 April 2020, 11:55 - Closed and private discussion: Used for tactics/team building in a tournament. [...]
This is an interesting use for the group discussions, much in the spirit of "let's play board games together".

On the other hand, only Devs know how long the backlog of activities is, and to be honest [100% opinion] I'd like to see more games, or a Tournament system that can cater with multiple players per table, than have this aspect of the site expand. Consider this a totally personal standpoint though.
postmans wrote: 28 April 2020, 11:55 [...] Or discussing bit more private stuff with people you are closer to (though use internet care at all times! And for moderation admins/mods should be able to read.)
This I read as much more generic and not necessarily game-related use, to which I'd argue that different tools are probably much better fit for the job.

As I was saying in my previous post, I think that the most straightforward "fix" at this point would be to change the label from "private" to something less misleading.
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Chikichatter
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Re: Group privacy problem

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1st-world problems :mrgreen:
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Caninski_Jen
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Re: Group privacy problem

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polettix wrote: 28 April 2020, 13:34 As I was saying in my previous post, I think that the most straightforward "fix" at this point would be to change the label from "private" to something less misleading.
for now yes .. but the question you should be asking is , why in the first place exist a "private" group here on BGA. So BGA gave the people the chance for creating private groups, but in reality those private groups are more closed group instead of private..
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GeekGirl44
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Re: Group privacy problem

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I totally agree. Why make sense to have private group if everyone see the conversations or the members there?!
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Elsaki
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Thanks for bringing it up, i fully agree.
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