Reporting Player Who deliberately Loosing

[Khoo1]

[[deleted]]
[deleted], I though you was someone which was clean, and which was reporting player which answered 'badly', or did many mistakes.
Now, with Zeinab and Qpenguin post, that doesn't seem the case at all.

Like, on Euforia's game:
You missed a timing to clue m1 turn #30. That's fine, that happen.
You can't clue it turn 32 and 34.
Then #35, Euforia did a no sense clue.
And #38 you get punished for your minor mistake.
#48, you take a trash m1 instead of clueing 2 directly, which is just bad.
#53, Euphoria did something really weird. Her white is m5/w3 on her pov, but she still plays it. On Khoo's pov, that should mean he is holding m5, but that is not the case.
#59, Euphoria clue something in slot 2 which seems to be m5 since she just played m4, for some reason, Khoo didn't get it. Ok, I guess he assume a save on it since it wasn't clued earlier? Or another choice of color? But either that's not the case, or either he put 'sensibility' of the game really high. But that would mean his early mistake with m1 couldn't be resolved for free. I suppose it was just a mistake then.
#61, Euphoria insist on white. Khoo discard. I'm not sure why, he maybe doesn't know which white to play.
#63 and #64, we got confirmation of earlier, the first white is m5, the second white is w3, and that yellow is y3. Khoo decide... To discard w5. (don't tell me that yellow clue is a save)
#65, Euphoria end the game by bombing.

From what I understand, it seems like you tell Euphoria you want to abandon. She refused. And so, you started to play badly on purpose (#60?, #62?, #64). Then she bombed.
And then you report her publicly.
It's a cooperative game, there is two differents opinions you should consider. Your own has only 50% of value.

I suppose same thing happen in Carophilox's game.
Don't reproach to others what we can reproach to you.
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Romain said turn 30 which on my screen appears as move 30

Like, on Euforia's game:
You missed a timing to clue m1 turn #30. That's fine, that happen.
You can't clue it turn 32 and 34.

There is no rule that states a playable card must be immediately clued.
Besides euforia cannot see own hand so no complaint, so why are Romain raising this?

Then #35, Euforia did a no sense clue.

Move 35 euforia clue blue 1st left light up
Move 36 play blue result misfire red token
By now I ask euforia why made that move?

Move 37 euforia discards 2B
Move 38 discard 1W

And #38 you get punished for your minor mistake.

What are you talking about on #38 ?
By now we suffer red token from move 35 clue which is not a minor.
Losing a 2MC in early game can be critical in a game of master level.
Euforia arrogantly did not reply to question.

A master, after 35 moves cause a bomb and do not explain. I see no reason to trust euforia anymore. I have doubts.

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Move 46 1MC played into playing area.
On top of this the clue to play 1MC was RED which also serve to clarify 5R in hand.
1 clue served multiple purpose is a better use of tokens.

Again, you brought up #30 looks shows that you intend to smear me, but 1MC played.

Move 48 clue W, lights up 2MC, 1MC, 4W, clarify 4Y as 4Y
1 clue served multiple purpose, looks like Romain level do not understand such method.

But what intrigues me is Romain intentional stated #48 trash m1 over clue 2 directly = bad .... clearly shows Romain is smear attack my image.

Move 49 white clued 2MC fired into playing area safely
Move 50 fire 3MC
Move 51 discard 1R
Move 52 clue 4 lights up 1st left 4 and 2nd left 4 : 4 4 W 4w 4y ...is seen
Move 53 fire W result 2nd red token

Again I ask.
Again ignored.
2 misfired by a master level who has in move 27 clue number to play fire that was safely played.

By now it is hopeless to rely on euforia.
2 red token is high risk with a player you cannot count on, but Romain, Openpenguin , and Zeinab001 thinks its alright.

What logic or reason or marijuana they are smoking, I do not know.

Move 54 discard 1MC
Move 55 euforia fire 1st 4 correctly into 4R .... WHAT?

If you know how to play 1st left .... again euforia ignores.

#53, Euphoria did something really weird. Her white is m5/w3 on her pov, but she still plays it. On Khoo's pov, that should mean he is holding m5, but that is not the case.

Move 53 was Khoo1 gives clue 4 to euforia
Let me see if I can find that action where euforia play ...
Was it move 54 where, "Euforia plays 1 multicolor and misfires" which was showing W to euforia ?

At the time Khoo1 hand is ? ? 5r 5b 5w
So what is Romain blabbering about holding m5 .... weed smoking.

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#59, Euphoria clue something in slot 2 which seems to be m5 since she just played m4, for some reason, Khoo didn't get it. Ok, I guess he assume a save on it since it wasn't clued earlier? Or another choice of color? But either that's not the case, or either he put 'sensibility' of the game really high. But that would mean his early mistake with m1 couldn't be resolved for free. I suppose it was just a mistake then.
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#59 is not euforia's move, but let's see that move clue in slot 2

Suddenly notice Romain's comment saying .... for some reason.
Which means Romain cannot even understand euforia
But adds a statement Khoo did not get it just to smear Khoo1 to look bad. Romain = evil.
Romain goes on to speculate showing Romain's ignorance.

Back to game, euforia already lost my trust.

#61, Euphoria insist on white. Khoo discard. I'm not sure why, he maybe doesn't know which white to play.

Move 59 euforia clue W, lights up 1 card 2nd left
Move 60 Khoo1 not sure what is that clue discard 1R
Move 61 clue W 1st left lights up ... see how confusing

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#63 and #64, we got confirmation of earlier, the first white is m5, the second white is w3, and that yellow is y3. Khoo decide... To discard w5. (don't tell me that yellow clue is a save)
#65, Euphoria end the game by bombing.

From what I understand, it seems like you tell Euphoria you want to abandon. She refused. And so, you started to play badly on purpose (#60?, #62?, #64). Then she bombed.
And then you report her publicly.
It's a cooperative game, there is two differents opinions you should consider. Your own has only 50% of value.

I suppose same thing happen in Carophilox's game.
Don't reproach to others what we can reproach to you.
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Move 62 uncertain of White clues discards unmarked 3B

euforia still arrogantly ignore chat, decline to leave game, Khoo1 gave up on game discards saved card.

One more point Romain, Openpenguin, Zeinab001 not telling you is that this game is FUTILE and LOST since 1st mistake.
Cards left in deck + cards left to play + 2 red tokens + lopsided hand - it had fail from 1st mistake.

Move 65 euforia deliberately misfires to bomb the game.

[deleted]
#65, Euphoria end the game by bombing.

From what I understand, it seems like you tell Euphoria you want to abandon. She refused. And so, you started to play badly on purpose (#60?, #62?, #64). Then she bombed.
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If you like to play with euforia, go ahead.

[deleted]
It's a cooperative game, there is two differents opinions you should consider. Your own has only 50% of value.

I suppose same thing happen in Carophilox's game.
Don't reproach to others what we can reproach to you.
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It is a cooperative game with 2 opinion but Romain, Openpenguin and Zeinab001 says it is alright to impose your opinion by BOMBING entire game, instead of abandon or quit.

Keep in mind, multiple mistakes, and misfired served by euforia.

I suppose Romain = evil and will post attack on me some more.
Best ignore Romain as Romain will dig sewage shit to sling as Romain like.

[Khoo1]

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As I said before, some people think Jesus died and made them judge, jury and executioner over other players.
If you think I post here is not right, then go ahead, make friends with them and play with them.

[Raal]

Raal saw the replay and thinks the third bomb was not deliberate.

Why did you not explain that player uiop's hand was clogged at move #20 ?
You deliberately left out this context of the game

Move #28 player uiiop misfired
I asked uiop why misfire but uiop arrogantly ignores my question.
Misfire also made me doubt uiop's moves and build up a lack of trust.

Khoo1 did not discard 2G because uiop can discard 2 in uiop's hand which release uiop's clog hand, but uiop ASSUME wrongly and MISFIRE losing blue token and incur red token. When uiop made a mistake, uiop did not apologize and not explain uiop's move, that build up distrust.

I asked to abandon the game because I do not know what uiop thinks, who is a master level, refuse to explain misfire.

Move #31 Khoo1's hand became clog.
Move #34 uiop clue 1 to a clog hand, which is WASTE of token in a time when CLOG is in place.

Why did Raal not explain uiop wasted token by cluing #1 ?

Move #36 uiop MISFIRES x2 time, giving Khoo1 ZERO token.
Such SELFISH uiop leaving other players ZERO token.

Move #38 uiop clue 1 which is WASTED token AGAIN.
If you wanted a play, why not clue appropriate colour for TWO times!

Move #39 Khoo1 with zero token, discard a playable 3R which uiop could clue RED in move #38.
By now, Khoo1 has lost trust in uiop and has asked to ABANDON game

Abandon game is not cheating and does not increase anyones' ELO or KARMA.
Instead of accepting a polite request to abandon game, uiop....

Move #42 uiop PURPOSELY misfire x3 losing the game.
Raal/Zeinab001 are defending uiop rank master for DELIBERATELY LOSING.

Why clogged?
uiop can guess his 2 is green highly accuracy at #21.
It wasn't clue to play although there are full token.
Khoo1 should play his 2s at #20, because if made misfire 2g, it has been saved.
I think that uiop was so confused at this time.

Then #21 uiop saved 2g.
It makes possible to play it low risk at #28, because It's already saved.
Misfire is not good, but it can recoverable.
Khool1 should guess this saved card is green, or white low possibility.

#25 uiop clued 3. It was "to play" after all 2s played.
It was ignored.
Further, it's clear at this point that older 3 is not rainbow, green or white.
So Khoo1 should play it at #32.

#35 and #39 uiop clued strange clue 1.
This is called "energency 1", I also think it is bad, but there are no way to tell that "Khoo1's 3s are all playable".

#37 uiop's strange misfire
It is simple "Bomb to play".
very risky, but no idea except this to clue to play 3s, because there is no token.

#42 Khoo1 discard 1g to play.
I can't find any good reason for this... this is baddest play in this game.
It's not only wastes clue and also clue to play... so it result in third misfire.
Is this calls "DELIBERATELY"? This is the "TRAP".


As Hanabi is cooporative game, It's rare all responsible to one side.
It's prohibited to talk in game, I think that asking for explanations of behavior during the game is cheating.

[qpenguin]

I see how you are twisting my words and game play.
Move 1, clue 5
Move 2, clue 5
Move 3, clue 2
Move 4, clue 2
Move 5, discard 1st right which is 1MC by carophilox at start of the game.
Carophilox did not give a chance to clue 1 but according to your comment, you blame me. This is example of you frame me for the game.

I did not blame carophilox for discarding 1MC. You put his on the table just to blame me.

Since you are dishonest, no point talking any further until you rectify your comment.
Who knows what else you are lying about.

Maybe it is the difference in play style or convention but this is how my group plays which will avoid 1m discard:
#1 clue 5
#2 clue 5
#3 clue 2
# 4 clue yellow
#5 play 1m
#6 clue 2

It is a cooperative game with 2 opinion but Romain, Openpenguin and Zeinab001 says it is alright to impose your opinion by BOMBING entire game, instead of abandon or quit.

Now this is some serious accusation. I've never say or impose my opinion about bombing entire game, nor do I agree with abandon or quitting. I think a game should be play to the end.

[Romain672]

But what intrigues me is Romain intentional stated #48 trash m1 over clue 2 directly = bad .... clearly shows Romain is smear attack my image.

But adds a statement Khoo did not get it just to smear Khoo1 to look bad. Romain = evil.

Romain goes on to speculate showing Romain's ignorance.

Maybe Romain thinks Buddha died and made Romain judge, jury and executioner of karma for everyone else including Zeinab001.

So what is Romain blabbering about holding m5 .... weed smoking.

Best ignore Romain as Romain will dig sewage shit to sling as Romain like.

As if I was the one doing that the most... Be nice to me, and I will be nice to you.
(I know I'm not clean here (like you), but just sorry for that, I couldn't resist to it)

Move 53 was Khoo1 gives clue 4 to euforia
Let me see if I can find that action where euforia play ...
Was it move 54 where, "Euforia plays 1 multicolor and misfires" which was showing W to euforia ?

At the time Khoo1 hand is ? ? 5r 5b 5w

At #53, on Euphoria's pov, she has two playables (her two 4), and a white card whiwh she can assume isn't useless. It seems to be w3 or m5 since she got negative 4, and negative w5 with your w5.
So, at her place, I usually would play the white card if you are holding m5, because then my white became useless or w3.
So if she plays it, which she does, you should know you have m5 in your hand. So either slot 1, or slot 3 (if you don't have a neg of color, I didn't checked)(can't be slot 2 because then she would save it). If it's slot 1 only it can either be already saved if you fully trust her, more likely if you receive a 5 clue later, or you can ignore it if you don't trust her (or myself, maybe I missed something else) and didn't received a 5 clue.
But if like you draw a second critical card, and your teammates does a weird move, it seems totally be because you got two critical card in chop, and with that read, you know you have m5 right.

By now it is hopeless to rely on euforia.

Back to game, euforia already lost my trust.

So she lost your trust at the point you don't even try to play a normal yellow play clue? Come on.

If you like to play with euforia, go ahead.

From that game, I know I will not like playing with Euforia and with yourself.
But maybe it was still a bad game. Maybe someone played badly because of chat.

2 red token is high risk with a player you cannot count on, but Romain, Openpenguin , and Zeinab001 thinks its alright.

I can understand your point if you try to get the most elo/average. But then you didn't even consider that you could have y3+w3+m5.
But then it seems you wanna abandon when you believe you can't win anymore. Why? For elo? Do you care about it?

It is a cooperative game with 2 opinion but Romain, Openpenguin and Zeinab001 says it is alright to impose your opinion by BOMBING entire game, instead of abandon or quit.

I never said that.
Euforia shouldn't do that.
You shouldn't do that.
And when you report her publicly, you should be even more clean than her, which here, doesn't seem obvious (you seems as guilty as her, I put the second bomb on both you and Euforia, the gain of exactly w4 and y4 is low for me, you shouldn't clue that, Euforia shouldn't play on my opinion).
I didn't answer most of the differences of clueing because it could be another way of thinking, which is just fine. (but you gave me no argument for m1, except something like 'why telling that?' but it show you are doing mistakes too for me)

I suppose Romain = evil and will post attack on me some more.
Best ignore Romain as Romain will dig sewage shit to sling as Romain like.

Nice way to give you the choice to answer me or not.

[Khoo1]

Why clogged?

At move 22, uiop's hand = 4 W 5w 2 5
I stand corrected, this hand is not clog but FULL
From my view 4 W(3) 5w 5 are rare. Only 2(g) is expandable.
FYI, Khoo1's hand is ? ? 2 2 2

uiop can guess his 2 is green highly accuracy at #21.
It wasn't clue to play although there are full token.

Liar, liar Raal's pants on fire
Move 23 uiop clue G to light up 2G
Move 24 fire 2 land as 2R
Move 25 clue 3 hand shows 3 3 ? 2g 2
Move 26 fire 2 land as 2B
Move 27 clue 5 hand shows 5 3 3 ? 2g
Move 28 discard ? as 1R
Move 29 uiop fires 2 = MISFIRE 2G

Raal is lying when Raal said, "uiop can guess his 2 is green highly accuracy at #21."

If uiop knew uiop\'s 2 is 2G then if uiop discard uiop's 2 then Khoo1 can hold 2G in Khoo1's hand which safely releases uiop's full hand.
Also as Raal noted, "full token" so no one force uiop to fire that cause misfired red token.

I gave uiop 4 tokens meaning I gave uiop a choice.

Khoo1 should play his 2s at #20, because if made misfire 2g, it has been saved.
I think that uiop was so confused at this time.

Raal = amateur.

Then #21 uiop saved 2g.
It makes possible to play it low risk at #28, because It's already saved.
Khool1 should guess this saved card is green, or white low possibility.

Raal's amateur = spewing all over.

Anyone want to play guessing Hanabi, look for Raal.

Misfire is not good, but it can recoverable.

If player use blue token, then next move discard can recover blue token. This is recover.
Misfire red token = not recoverable.

Maybe Raal should go back to being a beginner.

As I mention before, since red token incurred, I ask uiop but uiop arrogantly ignore.

#25 uiop clued 3. It was "to play" after all 2s played.
It was ignored.
Further, it's clear at this point that older 3 is not rainbow, green or white.
So Khoo1 should play it at #32.

Yes move 25 clue 3 and Khoo1 play fire 2 twice that landed safely. No misfire.
Khoo1 can avoid red token but uiop at master level cannot ?
And here Raal wants to defend a uiop's master failure.

"Ignored" ?
1G was not in place to play 2G, so yes Khoo1 ignored playing 2G and prevented misfire. Hooray!

"Older 3 is not rainbow"

Move 23 uiop clue G to light up 2G
Move 24 fire 2 land as 2R
Move 25 clue 3 hand shows 3 3 ? 2g 2

The point being clue G was given after 3 arrived. So how did Raal conclude, 3 is not rainbow ?
Oh yeah, I forgot, Raal = lying

So do you think you should play anything in move 32 ?
I sure would not listen to Raal.

At the game, uiop at master level fail to clarify reason misfire and has lost the trust of Khoo1.

#35 and #39 uiop clued strange clue 1.
This is called "energency 1", I also think it is bad, but there are no way to tell that "Khoo1's 3s are all playable".

#37 uiop's strange misfire
It is simple "Bomb to play".

Move 33 uiop clue 5 resulting in Khoo1's hand showing : 5 5 3 3 2g
Move 34 clue clue R resulting in uiop's hand : ? MC W 5w 5r
2 blue token + 1 red token
Move 35 uiop clue 1 which result in NOTHING

I call this a waste of token but did not say it.
Khoo1 asked uiop, what?
uiop arrogantly ignores.

Move 36 clue 3 to uiop's hand : ? MC 3w 5w 5r
zero blue tokens

Whose fault is this?
According to Raal, blame it on everyone else but uiop.

Move 37 uiop fire 1st left card ? = MISFIRE 2 red tokens.

Do anyone of you want to play in a table with 2 red tokens with a player who has MISFIRED 2 times?

If you do, look for uiop.

Zero tokens
Move 38 discard 5 ... which prevents misfire and sacrifice of only 1 point.
Move 39 uiop clue 1 that did not show any diffence to Khoo1's hand : ? 5 3 3 2g

uiop used 2 tokens to clue 1 instead of clue colour or do something that made sense.
Khoo1 gave uiop numerous tokens in most of the turns. Have your players give you tokens?

Raal calls it emergency.
I say to dear readers, please go play with Raal if you agree with Raal.

I am not going to entertain rest of the comment because clearly
1. Those players DELIBERATELY lose the game
2. Some of these comments are LIES
3. Twisted to SMEAR / attack post author.

I did not tell you to believe me and come to my table. You can disagree and go play with those players. I am sure Raal thinks talking on table is cheating but thinks its alright to deliberately BOMB Hanabi game. I may be wrong, but you can go find out from Raal.

[Khoo1]

Now this is some serious accusation. I've never say or impose my opinion about bombing entire game, nor do I agree with abandon or quitting. I think a game should be play to the end.

Openpenguin comment's defends the players who deliberately lose Hanabi games, but now tries to deflect.
Reader's can scroll back and see the game and comments, how words are twisted.
Those players deliberately lost games, so these comments defending them is ....

... you decide.

[Romain672]

Do anyone of you want to play in a table with 2 red tokens with a player who has MISFIRED 2 times?

No.
Do anyone wants to play with someone which will just bomb in purpose (or not trusting you at all) after you did two (big) mistakes? No.

[Raal]

"Older 3 is not rainbow"

Move 23 uiop clue G to light up 2G
Move 24 fire 2 land as 2R
Move 25 clue 3 hand shows 3 3 ? 2g 2

The point being clue G was given after 3 arrived. So how did Raal conclude, 3 is not rainbow ?
Oh yeah, I forgot, Raal = lying

If it were rainbow
It must be

Move 23 uiop clue G to light up 2G：G ? 2g 2 2
Move 24 fire 2 land as 2R：? G ? 2G 2
Move 25 clue 3 hand shows：3 3G ? 2g 2

It's bad clue. So #23 should be different.

I am not going to entertain rest of the comment

So, bye.

[Khoo1]

Already establish it is not multicolour and yet some idiot still wants to spin it as 'it must be' bull.

At least Zeinab001 knows right from wrong.

Here is a game where a player misfires ended fail with 2 points from full score
https://boardgamearena.com/table?table=117482808
These players did NOT deliberately lose.

I admire this player even though only 506 and apologize for misfire unlike some penguin proclaiming discussion in game is cheating.